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May 10, 1967.

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Jesus, as we wish to know the angular size,

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hold a matchstick at arm's length in line with the known object,

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and know how much the object is covered by the head of the match.

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You take a hell of a box part of the match and stir it up.

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This isn't the time of the unit.

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Pretty bad way you express this, but don't suck.

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Don't suck.

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You know, if you did the branch, you'd have the right sense of the thing.

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This part you can't, we couldn't tell how much it was in there.

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This part here was so bright,

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the bottom of it couldn't tell how far anything went down in there.

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This was real bright.

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This part would change its angle of the frame.

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It would start towards you. You could just see probably the back third of it.

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It would angle up to like, come south of us,

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or go back on North side of the road as we were going down.

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This is where the movement, this part would be real bright.

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Blue light, or white blue, I like that.

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Mercury to vapor or something.

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White light, I mean that. The only thing that ever changes

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is that it would get brighter, it would go up, and then it would seem like

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a blue part of the entrance,

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and then it would come back down to it.

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Now, how many parts we can see, and that was this part right here.

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This is where we can see the thing. One projection on it.

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This is already a lot closer to that.

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This one projection, we could see it any time.

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There was a couple times it made the same movement, but we couldn't see it.

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I don't know.

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This time, you see all of this, it's very clear.

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There's no problem at all. As a matter of fact, the lighter it gets, the better we can see it.

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At first we could only follow

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light. This one projection, the sky, is just starting to get in light.

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It's so light. When it was going to go,

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it's like, if you run like a light bank in an aircraft,

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when you drive through the wing now and you're starting to run, it's just a slight bank.

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If you roll over like a city or an island on the top,

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you might have to fish with the top engine and before you start to roll,

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it comes in with you, you know, the full top of the morning.

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When we do this, you can see this one projection on the back, probably 15 or 18 foot long,

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is what occurred today. This is the fifth industrial.

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You see it very clearly. Now, when we go back north away from us,

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all we can see was the bottom part, the light part.

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We couldn't see any of the metallic part out of it.

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You could see any shape, just out of light. Right.

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It was a completely clean cut, there was no fog to the end.

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Beautiful brilliance, it was clear.

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There's all the setting on it. So this suspended it,

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whatever happened, you don't really know what used it up there.

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But when we go past this, on the south side,

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and then start to pack, when you look out, you can get the same angle only from the other side of the

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ship or any one part. But that's the metallic part that you can see.

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You see it very plain and it's just like that.

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The aluminum top, it's been used for a while. There's definitely a silver color,

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but it wasn't like chrome. Silver color, but it wasn't

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polysilver. It was like a smoky silver.

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It's a dull silver. It's very silver.

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You see it very plain. I did a curve.

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It seemed like, and that was part of this thing, my phone was going to seem like this.

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When it was going forward, the nose part would be down.

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The right part of this outer rim, the center of it, was reflecting up on it.

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It faced part of it and seemed like it wanted to go forward.

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It didn't go at an angle like this. It went straight up.

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It would level out. It would go to the right. Just like it's going to make a right angle.

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It was like a stick.

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Did it ever do this? No, it was still a stick.

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Didn't it say that? It was all beautiful. They were clean.

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There was no washout in it at all.

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Ever go up the town, sideways? They made

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a plain grounder tube in Cannesville. It was first seen at a plain grounder tube.

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It was about 500 feet.

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It maintained depth for quite a while. We got over a burning reservoir

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and went up some more. I'd say probably picked up another

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250-thousand feet. Put it on the more side of the road the last time.

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When we got to Cannesville and went up to about,

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I'd say pretty close to 2000 feet because it was getting up there pretty good.

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After it cleared the area of Cannesville over the city park,

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when the aftertrucks were going through it, it came back down going in

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to the Plain and it carried to about, I'd say 1500 feet.

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Maybe 1500.

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Right along there, by then we covered part of the ground.

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I suppose right along that area, just tiny

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about 1000-1500 feet, is where we picked up the other car.

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Plain Houston. Town of Houston? No, this was out of

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East Palestine. This was the second car in Town of Houston.

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Would you two gentlemen mind leaving us for a few minutes?

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I can tell you all you know about it. When you gentlemen first started this thing,

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how low was it? Well, we

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first seen it, actually came up behind us.

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See Bob, radio first, they make the launch

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short. Summit County Sheriff's Office

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Radio, we have it, it's all 3958

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and we were, I'm on it, we're all

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traffic on the park. And Bob was talking to Summit County

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and Summit County told him that this object had been seen and the radio

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just called and said it was this real, huge, bright object

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higher than a street light and lower than an airplane.

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And we get quite a few calls

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from the police business. And

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actually the movement working on a traffic accident, we had just finished up

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the industry, of course, and we paid not very much, I mean, well, very

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low attention to it, if any. And I heard Bob tell

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me that he was not operating on the lady must have drank too much, you know, we had it.

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So we finished up and

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the men from the power company are handling the hot waters on the client in the

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bin for now. We went down to a restaurant in the corner of the

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Jiffy over and picked up three cups of coffee. We came back up and we gave the man

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the power truck, a copper coffee,

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since it was pretty cool out. And we each had one of them

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drinking as we went. He said, I'm just going to tear up home and the plastic lid so that you can

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kind of set me to go along. And while we were sitting

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there talking to him, there was more traffic than radio.

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And so the guy in the truck, he made a couple of comments, you know,

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and I said, well, maybe the news changel, you know, somebody,

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weird ones are out tonight, something to this effect.

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And so we started east on 224.

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We were going to come over to the Redfield market area, which we had a lot of businesses,

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shopping classes, problems with banks and stuff that

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we'd keep pretty close on and looked at all the buildings.

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So we were starting back across 224 and we got about a mile and a half or two miles

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east of 183 on 224.

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We passed it on before the site road 5940.

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And so I told him he was best checked out.

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He was on the road and then he turned, came in behind the car.

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At this point, this is all standard work. I mean, it's the same within the department.

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He gets out to the right side, they're going to go out to the left side.

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He goes to the right front corner of the cruiser, which is where he stops

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sort of an insurance policy. I got out to left and I went to the

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left rear of the other vehicle. I turned to make

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just a sort of visual observation area and make sure nobody lost their words, you know,

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to take a leak or something. And then I always looked behind me.

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So no one can come up behind me. And when I looked

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in this weird area behind us,

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I saw this thing. At this time it was coming

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up. And there was a slight raise there.

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When I felt my pre-top level, I'd say about a hundred foot

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or less. And it started moving towards

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us. At this time, he still wasn't straight ahead.

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Let me say pre-top level now.

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Well, look at the distance that way. It says that you're on the ground.

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Okay. So would you say

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that that's maybe 30 degrees elevation if you were on the ground and looking up?

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Depends on the trees, of course. Well, the trees that it was

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right on top of this one gray, right beside the road directly to the

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berm of the road. And

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at the time that when I was watching it,

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it was slow that you couldn't see it until it was right on top of me.

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As it came over the trees, I looked at Barney and he was still watching

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the car in front of us.

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And he didn't say nothing and the thing kept getting brighter. The area

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started getting brighter. I looked at Barney and he was still watching it.

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So he did and he didn't say nothing.

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He just put over his mouth for a minute and as bright as it was,

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he looked down. And I started looking down and I looked at

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my hands and my clothes were burning. I was going to stop, but I was talking.

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So the only sound in the whole area was, aha!

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And it just changed a little bit. It wasn't anything screaming or

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screaming for a while.

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But you sounded like a transformer being loaded.

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You know, a transformer when it changed.

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Like an AC house or something? Yeah. But no, it was

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like when you're other, when it changes.

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I don't know exactly. You remember the old kids fighting in the school? The teacher

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Rose, did she lose that one notch on her? Oh, yes, yes.

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I don't know. It's interesting, God bless America. It seems to me it's a long one.

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I don't know exactly how long. I was

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pretty scared for a couple of minutes. As a matter of fact, I was petrified.

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And so I moved my right foot. And everything seemed to work

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hard. And evidently he made the same mistake that I did, was to give

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something between me and it, or us and it, or whatever you would say.

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So we both went into the car. We got in the car and

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we sat there. I wouldn't even venture if it was 10 seconds, 30 seconds,

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or three minutes. I just know we... Okay, let's back up.

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From the time that you saw, you say, up until the time

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that it came over, how many minutes we just

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made to come over to us?

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From the time that you first saw, you said, over the tree line,

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coming up, but still, how many minutes did it take?

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Probably a minute. That's the...

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I mean, it didn't take very long. It was too close.

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When we seen it, it was just this one divide down there

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in this one little wooded area that we couldn't see what we were

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talking about. I mean, I couldn't even say if it was...

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It was no more than a minute or so because it was right on top of it.

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It was right on top of it. It was before I was seen it.

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It stood there and it hovered. It didn't make

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anything. I didn't touch nothing. Barney didn't say nothing.

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It moved right up to the north side of the road.

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It came back down and it moved right out of each other. It was just right away from us.

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It set up for a second and nothing still had happened to me. Barney got

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alright and that pushed the mic button and the mic came on. So I picked it up

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and it was just right where I was. I was just starting to tell him

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that the thing was there. And I thought,

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well, if I do, I think I'm too excited.

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So I just told Bob on the radio, I said, this bright object is right here.

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He wanted everybody to know. He comes back with

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something to shoot it.

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Everybody's talking about swamp gas.

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That's why Sean felt it. Everybody got excited all of a sudden.

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I thought it was one of these optical phenomena

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or anything. You know, he's playing a white ray, he's been playing moon.

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That's what I thought it was. I thought, well, it was a little blue

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and it was shooting down. It was shooting back into the government.

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This was twice now. These things have been seen.

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I mean, these people reported this stuff.

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I mean, we got the thing going, but it was as you could see, it was shooting down.

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With this thought in mind, I waited a minute and I had some things to say

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but I didn't. And it just sat there.

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Right now, he's done white rays in front of us.

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I mean, it was rolling, it was big. It's got a lot of

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money. It's like, okay, they all went out and came out and hit the top of it.

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So we're in sec in the east. So let's just say, we're going east.

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I said, how long did that take?

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It just moved right up and stopped. It didn't go any distance.

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It was 150 feet in front of the car.

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Everything was lit up. It was real bright.

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It was low. At this time, if I had to describe it, I said, it just looks

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like hell, it was as big as a house. This thing was

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a little slow toy. This thing is, I mean, you don't

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look up and say, we've got to pull something from this pin. How much did you say

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it was? This thing is big enough to cover the road.

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This is to 2040. Burn the farm this thing

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would have covered. It was, I don't know,

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like more than half a million dollars or something.

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It was very bright. It didn't make your eyes blind.

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My sergeant, and he says, do you have a camera?

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I said, I don't have one. I said, sorry, I said, no, I don't.

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Then he said, can you follow it or stay with it

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or keep it under observation? We'll get a camera.

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We'll get somebody over the photo of you and we'll photograph it so we can identify it.

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I said, can you floor it? We started moving up to it again

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or out behind it. We went to 183.

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We had to go there. Right south. When we turned south,

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it was right behind us then, right directly to the rear of the

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car when we went south, right directly behind us.

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We got back to 224 and we turned left. This is right that far.

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When we got there, I put a right straight up the left one over the car.

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Excuse me, almost doing one to the car.

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At this time it came straight south. One motion, baby, just a

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smooth glide, went right to the south side of the highway,

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took off each again, right with us and we were patient about on the side.

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Ground speed at this time was, say, about 86 miles an hour.

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We went straight with it, right straight out the window,

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right at the corner of the windshield,

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Bonnie and me watching the exhibitant floor with an area.

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At this time it was no more after the game down, a few more

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between three and five hundred feet because it was right on the ground underneath it.

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It was with a illumination front and it crossed that big

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frame where the strip field is and stuff. You can see it, this is the plane you can see that

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now. This was before daylight.

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Through the airfield circle, because I know I had to go between

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a tractor and a trailer, come back out and start at east again

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towards Burley Inn, right over the airfield circle, they were trying to

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get two camera cars from Salem. Two cars was camera soon.

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They were coming north, straight east, and at this time

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the same, whatever you want to call it, picked up probably

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another hundred and fifty feet over the water because that's when it started picking the light up under the button.

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Right by Burley Inn, straight back across the car to the north

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side of the road and we started towards the room of Honning County.

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At this time we've run one hundred and three, parking it, and we

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stayed right with it. Ground speed was the same.

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Two and a hundred and three is this same, you say, left of you?

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Yes, right to the left. We come back to the north side of the road

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and the window was out and the windshield was up. The windshield was up.

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The window was up. We followed it. The only time

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it raised, the next time it raised again, was when we had to make one

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angle turn there and it came back to us. This is our first good look at it. This is just

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about the end. Right after it crossed Burley Inn, we were going to Honning County.

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And when we come back south

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towards us and we're in debt, in an angle you can see it's so right

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against the sky. The beam of the way it was going to stay behind it.

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You can see the whole back third of the metallic object

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or what appears to be metallic to me. You can see it's just as plain

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as silver right against the sky. And I thought then we could identify it.

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I really thought that there would be something and I would know what it was.

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And I could see only one projection. And all this I kept ready

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on back. Everything that I've seen

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I gave it to the other cars, the bottom one

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radio, I gave it to the other counties as I was going so that if we cracked up somebody

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knows that there was something there. So the sergeant came in

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and he said, well, stick with it as long as you can until we can get another car

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and pursue with it. Cam is in break off to pursue.

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So this goes on, it changed directions

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probably two or three more times. We've got tangled up once, there were a couple of intersections.

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Every man in the Kansas Hill had come across the promise

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and said, the road is turned off to the right.

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It turned off to the right and it went over to the right of us then and then it went back over to the left

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hand side of the cruiser. It just seemed like it went up the road and we quit and we was

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going a little bit solid and turned it back over to the solid.

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It seemed like it only got one test

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very little tactic.

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When this thing was right in front of me and the windshield

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the question was, when should we be able to see it?

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When the spring was out from us, when the first one was

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all you had to do was set that right, just look out the windshield and it was right there, right

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in the center. Well, what's the question with the windshield?

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The top, bottom, middle, just around the middle of it.

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Just right straight to it.

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The top better third.

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After it moved down to the front of us, I don't know if you can see me,

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it was a monster.

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I mean, it looked like a monster to me.

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The only time that the most

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out of two that ever got this, I know this, the

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2000 feet that this was coming in from the top of

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Wayne Houston and that was about the highest point there until after we got to

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the mountain there before we went to the Rochester fans.

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And then it changed again. It came back over once

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Wayne got a little bit of a look at it and we were all the way to the

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all the way down to the side of the road.

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It goes back north again and then we started

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down through this one place that I believe that I don't remember the name of it.

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I wasn't really very excited at the time. And I was in

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strange country so Wayne knows the roads real well so he was

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helping me out. He was telling me which way to have to make the turns as I went.

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And we thought we'd lost it because

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he said this will be it, we'll lose it right here. What kind of system?

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Well, that's the five.

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It was the...

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I say what time?

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It must have been about 20, 25 minutes or so.

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You've been teaching so it was a good 20 minutes.

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I don't know the time.

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I don't know. It was about 507 when you first made contact with me on the side of the road.

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I don't know exactly what time it was. But we thought we were going to lose it.

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I don't know, it was 20 or 25 seconds probably through this one

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thing there. We came back out and we could see it again. We went through this

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mass of turns and at this point it was just

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a land on the low of cars. 51 hopes up it was 59

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and it's south of Rochester. Right? Next to the city limits.

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It might even be in the city limits. It's a bypass around the edge of town where you can't go.

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See, he knew the roads. They were just giving me instructions.

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I had to drive at this time.

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I thought we lost it so we came out on 51.

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I first looked up in the mirror to make sure Wayne made that last turn because we had a

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power car. You know, like bringing sliders over.

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Just as I picked him past the gear and I felt my car

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cracked, I looked up in the mirror to see Wayne and I see the nose of his car go down

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and he says it stopped and I looked right ahead of us and there it was.

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We came right over rock 51. We lost probably half a solid

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of two. We were helping God. Right now we're

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51 weighted as we came up through it. We went right up to the left

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and we're right straight up about five to six, seven hundred feet and it took off again.

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Right at the same place.

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Wayne's isn't in the book, but this is pretty straight up in this one.

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I've never seen nothing like it in my life.

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We were trying to get chip-a-lock.

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And it finally got a ray lock very late. We were out of our presence and Wayne

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was doing it like nothing. I think it was a little car.

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So we started again, by then, we were getting towards

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freedom and every time we'd hit a long curve or anything, I'd start picking up air. I was running out of gas.

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We got two freedom. It was still right there.

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We got tangled up and just slowed down. Came out of the other end of freedom

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going out of convoy, which I guess that's what started

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the West Pittsburgh.

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17 or 18 miles from downtown Pittsburgh.

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I saw this cruiser sitting in a plane station and I told Wayne

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I said there's another car. I was already out of fuel anyway

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and my tires were pretty well blown up so I shot in this place

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and we told him all this had me. He called his dispatcher.

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His dispatcher said he had the airport on the phone

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which they say they didn't now. And they even give us a phone number from

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they call back which they say we didn't, that I did.

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And I don't know who I talked to. I forgot the guy's name.

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I remember the last part of the numbers, 400,

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400 or something like that when we went to the free station.

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From that point when we first got there we watched this thing

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or watched the room in the park. The quarter room was here

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and there was a light for the man in the room and then the patient involved.

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There was one bright spot right off the mountain where the nose

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was being on the moon. There was a bright spot that had been there. I don't know how long that

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bright spot had been there. It was quite a while. One way we were

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watching that had been that this time, of course that spot

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was awful small. It wasn't as big as this. We were watching.

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And we were about the same. We watched right through an antenna. Four officers standing

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side to side. One scenario had come out of the airport right underneath of it.

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He was talking on the radio.

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He told them that he thought, you know, ask them about

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the kind of traffic on scrambling fighters to see if they can identify it.

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When they started talking about fighter planes, we could see these planes

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coming in. They said they weren't there but I just

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had another hallucination. When they started talking about fighter planes,

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this is the last thing for every word it was said.

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Straight up. And I mean when they flew that, they didn't fly that engine.

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They went straight up. There were no fighter planes in the span.

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There were no fighter planes. The job in the tower operated.

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The greatest of the Pittsburgh airfields. That's the one I call back.

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The four of them. But I know it was 3-0's

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and I don't know where we were. Now, the radio

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traffic was about the airplanes. The other airplanes was right in the area

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and we watched the air line right underneath all four lines.

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And all I got had to do was look straight up. I was sitting right on top of it.

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You were right under it. And at this time,

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it's altitude and it's distance. And at this time it was just, if you were looking at it

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compared to an object that you wanted to see it. It was as big as a war-strike

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thing even after it went up the first time and you were standing right there watching it.

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See the tower operator in Pittsburgh

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didn't pick up the radar just in case. And that's why

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there were aircrafts. Well, now see this is

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a different story we get. We understand that there were plane travel down here

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when this whole thing first started. Dr. Carol Hendricks at Youngstown

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he found a board that was right in fact. He said he died

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if he could get us to end up at 530 in the morning to go out and

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chase something. Something that isn't there to be in the time.

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It's just that they had on duty at all times.

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I thought I was good at all things in the air at all times.

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What? Well, you're sure if they're in SAC has at least

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20% of their planes on duty all the time.

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They're not fighter pilots.

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Did you say they were fighter planes? Do you know if they're fighter planes you didn't say so.

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No. All I know is there were aircrafts. No, he didn't say that.

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He didn't say that. Because at least I have nothing to say to him.

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He talked to the airport and

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waited for the flight. Because I got the information.

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Because the guy didn't still got me explaining anything. So what you said it would look like

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do you think it looks like a football? Do you think it's... I put an answer

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and he said okay, thank you. I'll pull with the right patterns and run off the phone.

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That was a total conversation that didn't last that long. I asked him if he wanted to talk to you or one of the other officers.

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And my mouth was pretty dry about that.

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I mean, you know, go to Apple every day.

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That was a total length of the conversation. The guy didn't

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give me a chance to even get your

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back where it was. Even explain it. He said, well, would you say

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it looked like a football or a cigar? I don't know if I'll see it.

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He said, you know, I was trying to get myself spread away.

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He said okay, thanks a lot. I'll pull with the right patterns.

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He never said another word to us. Now when they said the radio

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traffic, whoever he was talking to, I don't know.

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He was probably controlling the aircraft.

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I know that the traffic he came back

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was a place out there that was farther scrambled in the area.

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When they said fighter planes, that plane was really in there, but it really went.

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It didn't move around. It just straight up.

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This is how it was standing there.

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It was like having a radio or something.

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I don't know.

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I don't want you to feel that I'm

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disputed anymore. I'm just telling you what I know. Oh, no, that's

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that. From your information, the information which I have been able to

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check, and checking out all the balloon activity in this area, all the aircraft

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activities, especially in the rock that you were following.

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At one time because of your description

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I felt that maybe you were chasing the moon.

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There was no news of it.

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This balloon is propelled.

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You had a three mile hour wind and I thought

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I'd always be like, I'm going to be out the team.

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I just wanted to say, you're getting up and going.

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Three miles.

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You went in velocity. It was kind of

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at least 20 degrees.

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At 12 miles per hour.

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But as you reach higher and higher,

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you had a high velocity.

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But what I always made interesting was the direction you went to see if the balloon could be carried in that direction.

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Because this happened.

459
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:42,000
This is one of the reasons I asked.

460
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,000
I said, hey, you know they have to also be temperature.

461
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,000
And you just hold the area around you, especially the area which you follow.

462
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,000
My job is to try to determine what the same is on it.

463
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,000
It's not a rare classic.

464
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
What do you do if you've got you this time to the job?

465
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:06,000
I don't even know. I checked out everything. I checked the radar.

466
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,000
No, no. Okay.

467
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:14,000
I go to this way.

468
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:18,000
They have nothing.

469
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:22,000
There were no aircrafts. There were aircraft coming in.

470
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:26,000
These things are paid by numbers.

471
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:32,000
You know, you have flight, American Airlines flight 321 coming in.

472
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,000
You know, I can run with sensors.

473
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,000
But of course, they're trying.

474
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,000
And when they have a scheduled aircraft coming in,

475
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:48,000
it's a routine type of stuff.

476
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000
They bring them in to maybe 15 or 20 miles to start coming in.

477
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:56,000
They give them the runway.

478
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,000
And they come in line, especially in visual conditions.

479
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,000
They put that in the runway for 6 miles.

480
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,000
But this is the reason that I specifically wanted to tie it.

481
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:12,000
I checked it out.

482
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:16,000
It wasn't you gave me.

483
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:20,000
It was Mr. Powers.

484
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:24,000
Mr. Powers is from the Northwestern University.

485
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,000
The West of Now.

486
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000
I talked to him. He said we didn't take him.

487
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:36,000
My phone was disconnected.

488
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:40,000
I haven't tried it on the rest of the world.

489
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:44,000
I haven't known this number when they started.

490
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:48,000
But that didn't do much good.

491
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:52,000
I checked the space.

492
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000
I checked the space.

493
00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,000
Space is the space tracking detection system.

494
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,000
Which we have in this country.

495
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:08,000
To track all satellite.

496
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,000
All satellite.

497
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:16,000
That's right.

498
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,000
That's part of the system.

499
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,000
That's part of the system itself.

500
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,000
They're primarily interested in the Grand Curt.

501
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,000
And tracking our own chimney shots.

502
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,000
And mercury shots.

503
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:40,000
And the state access to which runs north all the way down south.

504
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:44,000
Mrs. Rackford, New York.

505
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,000
It's tracking all satellite.

506
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:52,000
I was stationed down on the Grand Curt.

507
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,000
I've seen a lot of those things come over to the Dave Shaw.

508
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000
It's got to be a part of business.

509
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:04,000
These guys, they only had radar in the country.

510
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:08,000
They also had tremendous optics.

511
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:12,000
They could make the moon look like that.

512
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:16,000
I checked with them.

513
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,000
The only thing they had over this particular A was satellite.

514
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:24,000
I don't know if you realize or not, but there are at least 30 satellites.

515
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
They're the residents of the United Island.

516
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,000
At least they have the northeast and the northeast of the components.

517
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,000
Except three.

518
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:40,000
Three of them I have, we call Retro-Goo.

519
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:44,000
And they have the east-west.

520
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:48,000
These are sort of faster than what's supposed to go that way.

521
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,000
Because of the fustace.

522
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:58,000
So I had a conversation and I put the information on the computer.

523
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:04,000
And this is what I made the determination specifically because of the direction that you gave.

524
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,000
That you had the first spot of the satellite coming over.

525
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:12,000
And then focused on Venus.

526
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,000
Venus at that night, that's particularly night,

527
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:20,000
was at a magnitude of minus 3.9.

528
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,000
I don't know anything about it.

529
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:28,000
I'm under the impression that two things are going to be impressive.

530
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000
I have a misception of that.

531
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,000
No, let's start with a misception.

532
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,000
You have to first put a 10.

533
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,000
No, I don't know how to change it.

534
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:48,000
I know a damn lot about the first satellite.

535
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:54,000
I understand it. The satellite orbits at about 7300 miles an hour.

536
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,000
7500, maybe.

537
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:04,000
Second of all, I think that if there's any atmosphere as close as this thing was, as large as it was,

538
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000
it would have probably burned out at that speed.

539
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000
Second of all, I'm under the impression that our satellite starts to stop and go and go up and down.

540
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,000
This is one thing. I didn't know it could maneuver.

541
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:20,000
They don't zigs that because the satellite is in front of the moon.

542
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:24,000
But it gives the illusion of zigs that,

543
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:28,000
it gives the illusion of movement in this direction.

544
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,000
So it's not because the satellite itself is moving,

545
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:36,000
it's because the eyeball does this, it arrives in my eyes and hits that.

546
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,000
Second of all, I'm under the impression that Venus rises out of the east.

547
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:44,000
That's the one you saw.

548
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:48,000
This is probably another thing I saw.

549
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,000
Look at the tense.

550
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:56,000
Sometimes it arrives not over you.

551
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:00,000
Venus today,

552
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:04,000
rises at 0249 in the morning,

553
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,000
rises at 110 degrees as with a 25 degrees elevation.

554
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:12,000
It doesn't have to rise

555
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:16,000
to the moon.

556
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:20,000
But some may come to get it.

557
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:24,000
Brandon, do you have this?

558
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:28,000
This thing is this large, this thing, and this low.

559
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:32,000
These people watch this thing from over the moderate order.

560
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:36,000
They report it.

561
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:40,000
And I follow it. I have a body with me. We're going down the road.

562
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,000
We're going to discount for two minutes.

563
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,000
Wait a minute.

564
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,000
I've been asked to the United States.

565
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:56,000
I don't call anybody nuts.

566
00:37:56,000 --> 00:38:00,000
I'm going down the road.

567
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,000
This thing that I am,

568
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,000
I'll teach you in the future.

569
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,000
I'm not saying you had to lose at least 20 days.

570
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,000
Anyway, this thing passes over another police car.

571
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:20,000
He watches it go by and he's following it.

572
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:24,000
This is two cars, but it's fixed on Venus.

573
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:28,000
We're going down the road.

574
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:32,000
And again, in the Conway, Pennsylvania, this thing passes over the third car.

575
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:36,000
It's sitting there. Not even on the same frequency.

576
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:40,000
He's watching the same thing as it goes over top of him.

577
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:44,000
When it's pitch-burnt, we come freeing the hand.

578
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:48,000
We watched it four minutes then, right there.

579
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:52,000
It was probably at the Usaini angle one.

580
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:56,000
We stood right there, watched it,

581
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,000
watched the plane go underneath it, and watched it make a vertical climb straight up.

582
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,000
And this served.

583
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:08,000
God's true.

584
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:12,000
The only thing left to even look at, after we went to the station of

585
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Paulic, I was at one bright spot that was there.

586
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,000
The sun was up, covered up full, and the moon was fading out.

587
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:24,000
There was a lot of poor moon. Right straight off that moon,

588
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:28,000
which would have been from the south of the moon if you were looking west, was one bright spot.

589
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:32,000
I would say it was probably a pencil race, a real fright.

590
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,000
That was the mother of the sun.

591
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:40,000
You guys were having a good time. I had some trampolines.

592
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,000
This thing would have been to the left, which was in the north of it,

593
00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:48,000
and we watched it. It went up, stopped, the airline went under,

594
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:52,000
and then it went straight up. Just as straight up

595
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:56,000
is called just straight up.

596
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:00,000
I would

597
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,000
think that people

598
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,000
can get fixed on something like that, but I don't

599
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:12,000
think that I don't see how myself

600
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,000
and the other cruiser and another guy and

601
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,000
all those who do J.C. Green is higher.

602
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:24,000
I know that Drew

603
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,000
just made me aware that this town was a part of this.

604
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:32,000
I know that it was there. I seen it very frequently.

605
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,000
It's not a question that this guy was trying to get

606
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
information. What information was what it was?

607
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,000
If I could tell you what it was, believe me, major, I myself,

608
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:48,000
and like I said before,

609
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:52,000
if I told you that I seen a Ford going down the highway,

610
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:56,000
you know what I was talking about. And if you said

611
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:00,000
there was a Chevrolet, you would assume the fact that you identified it,

612
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:04,000
and I know what it is. The same thing with an aircraft.

613
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:08,000
I'm sure it is. That's no war or something.

614
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,000
That didn't identify. This I have never seen nothing like it before

615
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,000
or after in the wildest part of the country.

616
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,000
So how can I identify?

617
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:24,000
Well this one has been identified

618
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:28,000
since then, since I know what this one looks like, I gave it the name of

619
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,000
Floyd, so that's Floyd then. That's another satellite.

620
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,000
But I can't,

621
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,000
I know that you can have an optical illusion, or you see something

622
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:44,000
move, or like if you go through a piece of glass,

623
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,000
or something, something distortion, I can, I'd rather go along with it.

624
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,000
But nothing this big

625
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:56,000
and I would never even invoke through in my wildest dreams

626
00:41:56,000 --> 00:42:00,000
I don't think I could ever imagine who would seem to be in the market.

627
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:04,000
Now what it is I don't know,

628
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:08,000
where it comes from I don't know, who's the longest I don't know,

629
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,000
but it's definitely there.

630
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:16,000
And it takes something just to have a hell

631
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:20,000
of a world to change my mind. I mean, as me personally, as you can cross this

632
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:24,000
line, I don't think anyone could follow something that long

633
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,000
in that far, and not be able to

634
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:32,000
determine that they were actually in pursuit of something, and I don't think that there could be that much

635
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,000
mass hysteria possibly. Somebody might be

636
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,000
able to figure it out. I don't know, this thing was there,

637
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,000
I've seen it very clearly, I've seen it outside the car,

638
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,000
I saw it from inside the car, and I saw it from outside

639
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:52,000
the car, so I got in the car and went to the concert.

640
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:56,000
I would hate to think, again, that this man's life, and a lot of people's

641
00:42:56,000 --> 00:43:00,000
life, facing me, I don't

642
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,000
believe for an instant

643
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,000
that I'm just following the

644
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,000
I don't know how to explain it.

645
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,000
I don't have the slightest idea.

646
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,000
I was really close to this.

647
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000
You know, what you're just going to say is, whatever it's worth,

648
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:28,000
you've got the first thing that's happened.

649
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:32,000
Oh, hey, I know about that for a minute.

650
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:36,000
There's something that you may, if you can, in this, by the

651
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:40,000
self-nervity, the first one, about 17

652
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,000
officers, around observation,

653
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:48,000
two or three or four,

654
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:52,000
you can say, how much of this?

655
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:56,000
Right off the right five.

656
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:00,000
I don't have any, I don't have any.

657
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:04,000
I don't have any. Well, like I said

658
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:08,000
I don't know.

659
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:12,000
Well, like I said

660
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,000
And the Air Force doesn't pay to do that.

661
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Oh no, no.

662
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:20,000
To learn how many cases they can every year.

663
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:22,000
Oh, I very well understand this.

664
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,000
I would put a hand on it, I assume.

665
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,000
I very well understand this.

666
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,000
You know, I respect your position.

667
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:35,000
But check every bit of experience, everything.

668
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:40,000
And the information which I got from people.

669
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Is this the same information you give them?

670
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Well, I feel this way about it.

671
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:46,000
It's too man-man.

672
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
The fish things are out and around, too.

673
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,000
Our sky over our heads.

674
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,000
And the United States Air Force and they government don't know what's going on there.

675
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:58,000
Because there's too many of them and there's too many people who've seen it.

676
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,000
And there certainly must be something to it.

677
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Sure.

678
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,000
There are.

679
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:09,000
Like, at least 20% of science is up in the air and all the time.

680
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,000
One reason I don't share it.

681
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:14,000
The radar stations are all over the country.

682
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,000
Not only in the interior, but in the exterior.

683
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,000
They operate on the 24 hours.

684
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:23,000
That's what I thought they did.

685
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,000
Did you?

686
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:26,000
Appreciate it.

687
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:29,000
The radar is 24 hours.

688
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:32,000
What is the Air Force thinking on this?

689
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,000
What is the Air Force thinking?

690
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:38,000
Disinterpreting, conventional rockets, natural conduct.

691
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:42,000
We have over 10,000, 200 cases on fire.

692
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,000
This goes back to 1947.

693
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:48,000
Last year.

694
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,000
Just to show you.

695
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,000
Last year we had 245 astronomical cases.

696
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
And you know how many of them were accounted for.

697
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,000
Definitely you can't buy this misinterpretation of the natural conduct.

698
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:07,000
We had 887 total cases.

699
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,000
245, sir?

700
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,000
United States.

701
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:15,000
Not only the private, but also private states.

702
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,000
How many of these 300 are still working?

703
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,000
I mean definitely.

704
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,000
Okay.

705
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:27,000
When I closed down the book on one Friday, when I came here, it closed.

706
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,000
There were 245 astronomical cases.

707
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:33,000
210 astronomical cases.

708
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,000
36 balloons.

709
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,000
85 insufficient data.

710
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,000
People writing letters, he said letters back to them requested that the federal Air Force

711
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:45,000
was to get the times, days, motions.

712
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:48,000
They failed right back again.

713
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:53,000
There were 126 in the other categories.

714
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:59,000
100 reliable reports, hallucinations, psychological causes.

715
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:02,000
What categories is this going?

716
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,000
What data is that?

717
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,000
I was in the car in Gloria.

718
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:11,000
I mean I'm not trying to satellite, I'm satellite and mask and I'm not trying to do it.

719
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:18,000
And you see, you know, the thing I took a picture of yesterday morning, I had a decorative set.

720
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,000
Probably one.

721
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,000
You had a one?

722
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,000
No, no, no, with a 30-shock.

723
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:28,000
What kind of camera were you using?

724
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:29,000
What else?

725
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Cheap.

726
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:31,000
Jeffers.

727
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:35,000
What kind, what kind of what's that, what kind of, what kind of, what kind of, what kind of a little cartridge was in the bag?

728
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,000
It was brownie.

729
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,000
Yeah, brownies and that.

730
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,000
This guy, this guy is a little,

731
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000
I'm sorry about that.

732
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,000
I'm just gonna give you the dose I had mentioned.

733
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,000
No, I had a real good picture, sir.

734
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,000
Yeah.

735
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:52,000
I've been able to see what he used.

736
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:53,000
Speed.

737
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:55,000
I don't have one speed.

738
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,000
This is Jeffers, is it the 25th or the 7th?

739
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:58,000
I don't know.

740
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,000
I don't know anything about cameras.

741
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:05,160
the whole fraction. This thing stood still. I took a picture of it and then when it started

742
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:10,960
to move, I ran from down here to down there, screwed some prospect, take a last picture.

743
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:16,680
I just got three pictures of it before it went out of sight. And when I, he saw it, it

744
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:22,760
was coming over from, it was coming from Margord down there and he says, he called the Margord

745
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,200
car and he says, look up over here, you know. And he's looking up, he says, what do you

746
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,760
see? I can't see nothing. And so I grabbed the camera and I said, where is it at? They

747
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,200
opened it and he says, it's coming towards me and said, we're going the other way. We

748
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:38,000
don't need more of this stuff, you know. And so I said, I sent it on a call and I'm dying

749
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:42,400
in the lie. And so I said, well, I'm going out here to see if I can find it. That's why

750
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,400
I ran out of the parking lot. And the whole floor is coming over and his baby calls out.

751
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,400
Okay. Like this man. The reason I asked you for the speed is because if you're using

752
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:58,400
a fast speed, it will show off as a job. But if you use it slow speed, it's going to show

753
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:06,400
off like this. This is going to show it up. Like in Jack and like Dale. Where's his picture?

754
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:14,400
There's one you can write about. I don't know. This little beauty, well, I don't know about

755
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:18,400
the way this butterfly is. I just didn't draw it. I didn't have that. This is just, this

756
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:24,400
on this film was almost written, there was two shades. The title was quite a different

757
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:29,400
color than the bottom. It was white. It was black and white film. And the bottom was

758
00:49:29,400 --> 00:49:36,400
lighter. It was shown down. And I have three shots of it.

759
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:42,400
The prime is in the middle. The negative is red.

760
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,400
You can throw it out.

761
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:50,400
Probably turning out to be something. I mean, it was kind of sad.

762
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:58,400
I know that experts in South Bend, I've had before, any amateur, you know.

763
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:03,400
I never saw the film or nothing. I had nothing to do with it. They said, here's the picture

764
00:50:03,400 --> 00:50:06,400
you took back to the film. That's it.

765
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:08,400
That was a process.

766
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,400
I can't explain it as anything else. I mean, maybe it was a satellite. Maybe it was a balloon

767
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:14,400
or something. I don't know.

768
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:19,400
A satellite is going to show up there's a bunch of little dots. If you're a saving camera,

769
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:23,400
it's, it's, it's, it's, it's not as big as an old, right?

770
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,400
I haven't written it up right.

771
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,400
You're a sheriff.

772
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:27,400
You should write it.

773
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:28,400
Yeah, I'm a sheriff.

774
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,400
See, they're 25th or 50th or 30th or something.

775
00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,400
I mean, they're not extreme. That's like, I know they have cameras with 300 to the

776
00:50:38,400 --> 00:50:40,400
second right, you know, these.

777
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:41,400
Yeah, they're better cameras.

778
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:45,400
Yeah, I want my brother, he can have one with seven lenses about this long, around 18

779
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:50,400
filters and all this jazz and go with him. He's the photograph snowflake.

780
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,400
And my mother used to take the pictures after he'd blown up the involvement of the size

781
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:58,400
she wanted to be and make tablecloths, appreciate it.

782
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:07,400
So he was, he'd like me to take a look at that until you get through with it.

783
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:15,400
Oh yeah, I mean, I mean, I'm not saying it was a, a, a, a boy or anything like that.

784
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,400
It was from our place at flying saucer.

785
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,400
Because I'm not sure.

786
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,400
I mean, Dale got a closer look at one of these things firsthand than I did.

787
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,400
And I'm not sure.

788
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,400
I guess I'm good at this.

789
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,400
I was going to assume that the same thing if you took a picture.

790
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:34,400
Yeah, I assume nothing, but Dale said the same as Floyd and since he'd already seen one,

791
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,400
I took his word for it was a Floyd.

792
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,400
And I took a picture of it.

793
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,400
I don't know if I did an air line or something flying over something.

794
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,400
I don't know the truth.

795
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:45,400
But I can say this.

796
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,400
They didn't do any of these other maneuvers that Dale said.

797
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:49,400
I mean, they stopped one time.

798
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,400
I mean, he said I mean,

799
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:56,400
he told you my, my, my, my, disappeared.

800
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,400
I mean, boy, it was gone.

801
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,400
Of course it might have been, you know, like I said, clouds go over and light rays.

802
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:07,400
I've seen those, oh, the west.

803
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:08,400
Right.

804
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,400
Now, now.

805
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:12,400
Yeah.

806
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:13,400
Yeah.

807
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:14,400
Yeah.

808
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:15,400
The way it was.

809
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:16,400
Oh, okay.

810
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,400
No.

811
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:20,400
I'm pleasant.

812
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:24,400
I've checked all the activity.

813
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,400
I've been treated with a leave of absence.

814
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,400
This is one of the reasons that I stay home.

815
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:36,400
I'm just going to check on it because it's a lot easier for me to check the communication channel.

816
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,400
You sit at the office and there's a bunch of boxes to say, okay,

817
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,400
give me the act and give me the treatment.

818
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:46,400
And check out the information.

819
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,400
This is the fact of the duration.

820
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:57,400
Well, I'm sorry that turned out this way because I know a lot of people have come to me and they saw the same damn thing.

821
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:02,400
And there's too many people involved for this thing to be a mirage or somebody's imagination.

822
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,400
I don't have an idea.

823
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,400
Somebody left to mess with it.

824
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,400
There's something actual with something.

825
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:15,400
What the radar does to the satellite and the radar should think about.

826
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:24,400
You know, your radars in the greater Pittsburgh area are built by the satellite.

827
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,400
It's that close to the ground, is what you're talking about.

828
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,400
Well, yes.

829
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:30,400
That's why it's a rather thick and thin thing.

830
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:33,400
It's making thick and thin and hard on the view.

831
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:35,400
For themselves.

832
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,400
Whether we are ourselves.

833
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,400
Well, yes.

834
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:43,400
Well, sir, thank you very much for your time, Major.

835
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:44,400
I'm sorry.

836
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:45,400
Oh, that's my audience.

837
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:46,400
Yeah.

838
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:47,400
All right.

839
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:48,400
You've got to talk more.

840
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:50,400
Excuse me.

841
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,400
I'd rather see you as a service.

842
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,400
No, I've always been.

843
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:54,400
No, you haven't.

844
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,400
Yeah, he's going to be a doctor one of these days.

845
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,400
You're a doctor.

846
00:53:57,400 --> 00:53:58,400
Thank God.

847
00:53:58,400 --> 00:53:59,400
He lives on.

848
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:00,400
I don't know if he'll live.

849
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:01,400
I heard him.

850
00:54:01,400 --> 00:54:03,400
He's sitting down here with us.

851
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,400
Oh, this girl on the mind having a picture.

852
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:08,400
It's permissible.

853
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:10,400
That doesn't get you the proof.

854
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,400
You were here to say I should have called for that, so he wouldn't get a picture of you.

855
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,400
I'll let you shake your hand.

856
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,400
No, that's it.

857
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:21,400
Because I've heard the Congressman's interest in it, because he says...

858
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:27,400
I talked to Congress with Stanton and, uh, talked with papercliff.

859
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,460
you